Feedback on my training at SAE Institute Paris

The SAE Institute, School of Audio Engineering is a multimedia school present in many capitals around the world and known primarily for its sound engineer training. Having completed my Audio Engineer Diploma at SAE Paris, I'd like to share with you a few thoughts on my experience, which may be of particular interest to those who wish to choose this school.

Disclaimer

Warning, what follows is only my opinion, my personal experience and the SAE may evolve between now and then, keep in mind that I got my diploma in 2013 for a training in 2012-2013.

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Why SAE?

Well, it's simple, I looked around and found Louis Lumière, BTS, EMC, SAE, and others that didn't really grab my attention. Mainly because I wanted to stay close to Orléans.

The sound technician BTS courses tended to focus on broadcasting and sound recording for video, and the equipment available was pretty mediocre. What's more, my experience of the traditional French school system was never a delight, which is all the more reason not to go back.

Louis Lumière seemed to be the best option, but I couldn't get in, precisely for the above-mentioned reason (very average record).

And the EMC, I hesitated for a long time, the school and atmosphere seemed very nice, but the equipment available was not as rich as the SAE, at least in terms of recording/mixing equipment. On the whole, the SAE seemed more professional than the EMC.

You'll understand why later on, but I'd recommend SAE to anyone interested in recording and post-production (music/video mixing), because that's mainly what you'll learn. But let's be clear: with this school, you have the keys in hand to studio, live and sound recording, and even other related fields. Broadcasting isn't really part of the equation, at least not when I took the course. Even if there is a sort of initiation, it remains purely theoretical.

A school accessible to whom?

For those who can afford it, or who, like me, have a student loan... Because the school isn't cheap. I'm not sure I can give you the price, as it's hard to find at first glance, but you can get it by requesting the school's information documents (sent free of charge by post).

You still need to have a baccalaureate (preferably ES/S or STI) and be 18 years old. It seems to me that in some cases, the bac pro can be taken into account, and that your case will still be studied if you don't have the bac but can attest to the required skills.

Let's talk about the skills required. They're summed up pretty well by the entrance test. It's fairly quick, and consists of a brief test of your level of French, English, mathematics, physics and logic. So it's been a long time since I've taken it, maybe there was a little bit of general knowledge, but it's nothing too rocket science, to be sure, given my rather scattered general culture, focused more on a broad technical culture. If you're an average 18-35 year old with a bachelor's degree, you probably won't have any trouble answering the questions. And in the end, that's pretty much the level required, because the training starts from scratch, so it doesn't matter what your original level is, you just need to be able to understand, adapt and memorize, and if the subject really interests you, technically speaking, you should be fine. Of course, having some knowledge in advance will help you feel at ease. As for me, I've been an audio and computer enthusiast for years, so there's a good third of my training where I've just been brushing up on what I already knew.

You have to remember, though, that this is a technical training course, so you need to be at least a little geeky, curious, rigorous and not allergic to a little useful mathematics.

About the free MacBook pro...

The school "offers" a Macbook pro on entry. I'm using quotation marks here, because of course the cost is passed on to you in the price of the course. Having initially had an aversion to Apple, its uninteresting products and its nauseating policies, I think this is still a good thing, as you'll probably be confronted with Macs during your professional life. At least you learn how it works. But this Mac is only really useful if you buy ProTools (student price: 250€) to work on it. So you'll need to plan for additional costs. Also, by adding 500€, you get a machine that's 2x more powerful (15 inches instead of 13 and quadcore instead of dual core), which is interesting if you plan to do some heavy mixing on it. For my part, that's what I did, I also put 16GB of RAM and an SSD in it, it can be done without any special knowledge, but you need to take a set of star screwdrivers to do it. Hopefully you'll have some Macs that can be disassembled. ProTools is also PC-compatible, so you can install it on your MacBook and your PC at home, and use your iLok key (license) on both. The plugins are even quite compatible overall, provided you use the same ones. Still, I'd have to spend €1,000.

 

1 or 2 years?

SAE offers accelerated training in 1 year instead of two. As I'm not from Paris, and given the high cost of rent, I opted for the accelerated course to save a year's rent in Paris, and more than make up for the slight extra cost. Time is money, they say. The Audio Engineer Diploma is recognized by the French state as a BTS (bac +2) "Technicien preneur de son". It won't get you a job, but it can help you work in public institutions.

Who are the teachers?

We call them "speakers" here, because they are first and foremost professionals in the field. They're often on first-name terms, as there's no reason to talk to each other with a broom in your hindquarters. They each have their own speciality, and are always available to answer your questions, and sometimes even to experiment with new ideas. Whether it's during a break, before, after or even during the course to share with the class, they're always available whenever possible.

Obviously, you'll feel more at home with some than others, but there'll never be any unpleasant surprises, above all because they're always competent, at least in the field in which they teach.

And what do we learn in this school?

That's always the problem when choosing a school... knowing what's in the course. Well, today I'm taking the stress out of it!

First of all, most of your training will consist of applying what you've learned in class. Secondly, everything is very progressive. You'll see the concepts little by little, and learn gradually, but on the accelerated course, you'll get the hang of it fast, especially if you don't have any prior knowledge, and on the more complex consoles, you'll really have to hang on...

In bulk: You'll learn audio editing, sound design, ProTools, MIDI, microphonics, audio theory (processing and effects, signal, acoustics, stereophony...) and a bit of electronics, you'll learn to use analog and digital consoles and effects, you'll make sound to image, you'll record in the school's studios with musicians you'll have to find, and you'll do a bit of networking applied to audio and computing, you'll be introduced to broadcasting and live performance, you'll make jingles, and you'll even learn to mix, but be careful, we'll give you indications, and then it's up to your ear to do the rest. Above all, you'll learn how to use reason to desecrate all the idiophilic nonsense lying around - my favorite part.

There will also be a number of guest speakers, and I was particularly fortunate to meet with Bob Katz. I also had a few outings, an in-depth visit to a live room to get a better idea of how things work, and a mixing session in the studio to get inspired by the techniques of the most experienced, with a little tour of the mastering studio as a bonus.

You'll have a large block of lessons for each console present at the SAE. These are quite rich and representative of what you'll find in the pro world, from full analog to full digital, with hybrids in between.

You'll also have a Workshop, i.e. a lesson with the teacher who shows you in practice what you can do, especially for each console.

It's worth noting that most of the mixing will be done in ProTools, a powerful tool little known to the general public but used in a large number of studios, which I have clearly adopted. You'll learn all its specific features, and be able to extrapolate to other DAWs. No Abelton on the other hand, too bad, but a little Logic, especially for MIDI exercises.

In the end, the big positive point for me is that the link between theory and practice is very well made, and that you're not bombarded with useless theory, everything you learn is useful, and you don't need to be a math nut to do it.

How does a year go?

Already, there are 3 intakes per year, which is quite practical, and it allows specialized teachers to rotate between promos. There are two types of classes: full time (one-year course) and part time (2-year course). Even in full time, the number of class hours is moderate, but as I said, you spend more time applying the lessons than sitting in a chair attending them. In this way, you integrate things quite well. Full-time classes seem to be a little smaller - between 15 and 20 students at the beginning of the year.

The year is punctuated by practical exercises to be handed in, as well as exams that are fairly evenly distributed to ensure that everything is perfectly assimilated.

A good reference point for me during the year is the workstations and consoles we work on. This remains the focal point of the course. All the work can be done in the school, which is open every day until midnight or 1 a.m. (not sure). In any case, I've closed more than once, without looking at the time. There are ProTools stations where you work with headphones, which are freely accessible, small consoles on which you start, also with headphones, and mixing/recording studios, where you have to reserve the room, and you'd better show up, otherwise you'll be heavily penalized.

We're starting the year with some editing, for my part on Spark, a very manual and unpleasant piece of software, which I consider to be the hazing of SAE. If you can hold that, you can hold anything else. I heard that maybe they were going to use another program for this task... Basically, it consisted of 5 models to reproduce. You're given a cut-out piece, and you have to re-cut it identically... And sometimes, it's just a snare drum hit to cut, and you have to find the right one. The slightest mistake and it's 0 out of 5.

Then we start to pick up some theoretical baggage and learn Protools, so we do a bit of editing in ProTools, we have jingles to make with a few technical jokes in them, stories (recorded by the speakers) to edit and dress up...

And then we started mixing. First on a small 8-track mackie, with only volume/pan/EQ, recording on minidisc to get used to having an external recorder. Then we add dynamic effects (compression), then temporal effects (reverbs and other phasers).

Then you move on to the 8 BUS, a much larger console (32 tracks, I think), do a mix, then your first recordings... As I said, you have to find the musicians yourself. There's a book of contacts available, but if not, just go to a rehearsal space, and you'll easily find musicians who want to be recorded for free. Sometimes they'll even pay you if the result is worth it. Well, the 8 BUS isn't a top-quality studio, but it's a good start.

From then on, things started to get really serious, and we started training for the other consoles, in particular the SSL, which I loved because it combined a DAW controller part (audio software) with a cool analog part, ditto, mixing, then recording/mixing. Always in that order. And then we go digital, Tascam/Yamaha, where it's purely mixing and picture sound (sound design, dubbing, mixing).

And then we come to the Icon, the big digital console, the ultimate remote control for ProTools, and on the other side the Neve, the big analog console, super grain. Not to mention the more advanced listening rooms and live rooms. In fact, it was on this Neve that I registered Siks Haedo.

Finally, we end the year with an exam, a dissertation, a final project and a practical exam. As for the dissertation, it's a good idea to start early if you want to do well. The idea is to delve into the subject of your choice. For my part, I chose the complex subject of impedance matching, and I literally had to outdo myself to achieve it.

Successful training

Sadly, some drop out, some fail, and some switch from full time to part time to keep up. In my class, we started at 18, finished at 14 (including one spent part-time), and only 4 of us graduated. There's a catch-up, but you can't count on it, apparently. I imagine that in part time, the drop-out rate is higher, and the success rate better, and my class can't reflect the totality by its simple sample, but one thing's for sure: you've got to hang in there!

Because while all the keys to success are provided, it's still hard to get a diploma.

To get there, you need to achieve a final score of 80/100, or 16/20. Let's face it: the only way to do that is to aim for 100%. Try to know everything about everything, to have no gaps, to give it your all, and for that, there's nothing like being passionate about the subject. Without passion, I find it very difficult to keep up. Especially since at SAE, you're an adult, and there's no one to yell at you if you don't do your homework. If that's what you want, you'll have to move on.

Of course, you make mistakes in the projects you complete, and you're there to learn, but you have to learn quickly and well, do your best throughout the training, be rigorous in the exercises, which can sometimes be a bit tricky, and take all the time you need to get the job done. That's not to say that you have to stop having a life; on the contrary, to get through it, I really needed to party, play games and make my own music (plus I was applying my lessons). For me in any case, getting away from it all to get back to work was the appropriate method, and even in full time, I managed to have a bit of free time, and a completely random rhythm. Sometimes I'd stay at school until midnight to work, I'd have class the next morning, but I needed to take my mind off things, I'd go to bed at 4-5am, go to class, sleep in the afternoon, come back in the evening to work... In short, there's obviously no rule for success, other than not missing a single crumb of class, not allowing yourself the right to make mistakes and always doing your best.

Conclusion

All in all, I'd highly recommend this school for the quality of its training, and I think it's hard to do better in such a short space of time. After that, you'd have to be able to skip stages depending on your level, but it never hurts to brush up on the basics. Keep in mind, though, that it's up to you to find a job afterwards. The various speakers are quick to remind you over and over again: it's not an easy field. So, if you're really motivated and passionate, and have the means, don't hesitate.

I hope this post has been useful to some, I'm open to questions, in comments or via the contact form for more info ;)


18 responses to "Feedback on my training at SAE Institute Paris”

  1. Aisse Avatar

    Thank you for all your infoq, I plan to register for the start of the new school year in January.
    I'm retraining, I have children but I'm more than motivated by this training (in 1 year).
    If you have any other tips, I'd love to hear from you.
    Thank you

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello,
      Given your comment, I don't have any particular advice to offer other than to think it over carefully and only take the plunge if you're really 100% sure about your choice of training and what it can bring you afterwards in your professional search. If you're motivated, even passionate, and have a technical bent, you've got a good chance. You just have to bear in mind that it's not a course you'll take "just for the hell of it", and that employment in the field is not guaranteed afterwards.

      If you have more specific questions, don't hesitate to ask.
      Good luck to you!

  2. Guillaume Avatar
    Guillaume

    Thank you!
    So I have 3 questions:
    - (A bit of an asshole, but good tkt): (I love rapping, and I'd like to make my own instrus, jpp of phase B and bails in copyright)
    - What are the opportunities after this training? Like where can I work, or are we looking for guys like you? (Or where can you fit in?).
    - I have no knowledge of music production, and like you, my file stinks of death. Do you recommend Part Time or Full Time?

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello,
      In order :
      - The aim of this course is not to become a composer, but a sound engineer. If you're already composing, the course can help you become 100% self-produced, but that's not the primary goal. The aim is to become a real sound technician. There's another course at SAE, shorter and certainly closer to what you're looking for.
      - Let's just say that a diploma gives you a certain credibility, but now it's a field where it's pretty hard to get in despite everything.
      - I would say that it doesn't really depend on the file, but rather on your ability to learn with the level of passion you have for the field ^^.

  3. Reynald Avatar
    Reynald

    Hello Robin,
    I'm now just over 40 years old and I took my "Audio Engineering Diploma" in 2001 at SAE in Geneva, and it's pretty crazy to find the training process exactly the same. Afterwards, for the audio editing at the beginning of the course, I had to do some physical editing on 1/4 inch tape (cutting and taping...) where they (the trainers) had spoiled Alanis Morissette's song Ironic for me, but otherwise everything's there! Likewise, no broadcast, just theory and knowing how to put a console in mix, record or broadcast mode. What you describe is so much what I've experienced that I couldn't help responding. For example, in my class (I came from a Bac ES and took the 2-year course), there were 40 of us at the start, less than 30 at the end of the course (including those who confused DJs with pseudo composers, rappers etc.) and in the end only 2 of us graduated (for my part with a wax stamp!!). So we're a long way from the school's target results, but it's personally gratifying, so I congratulate you because it's not easy in every sense of the word. I'm glad this diploma is finally being recognized. I saw that your article dates back to 2015 but since you still seem to be active that's why I'm taking the liberty of intervening.
    Thank you for this post, which took me back many years ;-)

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hi there!

      Well done, I'm still active (and even if I don't post too much, I still maintain the site on a technical level) :p

      Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad you enjoyed reading mine! It's funny to see that even after a few years, the concept of training doesn't change too much.
      Alanis Morissette isn't very nice either! That said, it doesn't hurt to get used to hearing something over and over again, as it can be part of the job if you work in a studio...
      That's exactly what happens when people drop out, when they don't have enough information. When you know how much the school costs, you have to wonder how it's possible!
      The diploma has changed a bit since this article, I think, so I don't know if it's still recognized. You really have to check every year, I think, because things can change.

      So don't hesitate to share in the comments what it's been like for you in terms of employment! :p

      Thank you, congratulations to you too in any case (lucky you for the wax seal!).

  4. Emiliano Avatar
    Emiliano

    Hi Robin,

    Thank you for your very complete post! I have a few questions, I'm a computer engineer and I'd like to become a sound technician, more studio/live oriented. It's a very closed market?
    After a year in training, did you really have any practical cases in which you could use your knowledge?
    Thanks for your feedback!

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello,

      Computer engineer's not so bad! Don't you like it? :p

      As you can see if you poke around my site, I'm now working for a web hosting company, so for me at least, the sound business was a bit too stuffy. Luckily, I have several strings to my bow (and so do you, it seems :p) and I'm lucky that they're all passions.
      If I had one piece of advice to give with a little more hindsight: find your opportunities BEFORE you do the training, or make sure you've already got one foot behind the door and do the training to find more work or work on bigger projects or in a different position, but don't do it if you're starting from scratch.

      After that, yes, in 1 year you're clearly able to start recording in a professional studio, even if you're bound to discover new things in each studio for a while, you've already seen enough different setups not to be lost when faced with a big console, for example, or recognize microphones and know how to place them, etc. And in live music, if you were already doing a bit of it beforehand, you'll be 10x more at ease after the training. And live, if you've already done a bit of it before, you'll be 10x more at ease after the course :p All that's if you take the 100% course :p

      I hope I've answered your question!

  5. mauri Avatar

    Hello,
    Your presentation was very interesting and I'd like to thank you for taking the time to inform us. I'd like to know what happened next, i.e. after the training, did you find a job very quickly, were you helped, what are you doing today in 2020?
    what do you think of developments in the music world today?
    what's tomorrow's know-how?
    thank you
    denis mauri

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello,

      Thanks for your feedback.
      Reading my CV should tell you more about what I do today! https://www.lrob.fr/cv/
      I've had a bit more luck on the other string of my bow (computer/Linux server) and I'm still making sound privately. :)

      The audiovisual future and tomorrow's know-how... My crystal ball isn't particularly sharp on this subject. It's still a fairly closed and difficult sector to get into. You have to be able to stand out from the crowd, create an ambitious project (which means having or giving yourself the means) and persevere to have a chance.

  6. Hi, there,
    Super post very interesting and very well written thank you! Regarding the sound engineer training, I've just been given the green light for pro transition funding, and I'm super happy about it. I'm going to start the intensive one-year sound technician course in January. I'd like to know a few things. As I'm as passionate about music and technology in general as you are, I'd like to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind.
    1/ How many projects do I have to present during the year (is there a jury)? I've got a number of projects in mind (just to get my personal projects off the ground, by the way), and I wanted to get ready to add to or eliminate some of them. For example, I've got a rock/metal band I'd like to record, a second solo project this time in Latin music, I'd also like to record/mix a pop-oriented artist I know, and finally a blues band. Will I be able to do all this in training, or should I restrict myself to one or two projects to present to a jury? If so, will I have time to do it outside the classroom, for myself?
    2/ Are there any collaborations with video people for a project to present? I'd like to complete the project with a video clip (I saw that the school is located in La Plaine St Denis, where all the TV studios are, which is a real asset). If so, is there a budget to make the clip, or is it up to us to finance any sets, actors, etc.?
    3/ Same question for the video game section, is it possible to make soundtracks, for example, for the games they are preparing?
    4/ Concerning the dissertation, given that at school it was really my bête noire anything to do with dissertations, dissertations, anything to do with writing, should I now prepare myself to learn how to do a dissertation? How many pages will it be, is it difficult to do and is there a dissertation director to ask?
    5/ What's the atmosphere like with the other students? Is it more of a high school atmosphere with parties organized to socialize, or is it more of a very cold atmosphere?
    6/ I've seen that there are jams on Friday nights. How do they work?

    Thank you very much for your attention :)

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello, thank you for your comment.

      In my day, there was no Jury, you just hand in the files on an imposed medium (file to be dropped on the network and named correctly, otherwise you get 0, see MiniDisk to force you to learn how to use an external recorder), you're generally graded out of 5, sometimes more depending on the importance of the test.

      You'll have projects throughout the year, and "in my day" there were about 6 digital and/or analog consoles you'll be allowed to use, from the simplest to the most advanced.
      For some, it's just a mix (music and a little picture sound) and you don't get to choose what you mix. Others have an associated studio, where you can record the bands of your choice in addition to the mixes.
      For me, there were 4 consoles with studio, so that's 8 recs over the year. You can try to fit in more, in some cases I did two recs, but it's not certain that you'll manage to take 3000 slots, because you won't necessarily have the time, and you're not alone and slots have to be reserved, the aim is not to monopolize the studio and prevent other students from working.

      After that, you're free to combine your exercises and take advantage of the opportunity to make a collab, but in my day, there weren't particularly many collabs with other branches. In any case, I've recorded musicians I knew during training and mixed that with the exercises, and that's perfectly possible. :) After that, I don't recommend recording your own band. I did it for a drum rec, and it's hell, it's complicated to be behind the instrument and the console at the same time, and the aim is to learn how to be a sound engineer, not to learn how to duplicate yourself. And that also means learning how to get in touch with musicians, adapting to unfamiliar music and instruments, and so on.
      For the JV soundtrack, we'll see, if you record real instruments, why not, it doesn't matter what the motif is, as long as it fits the exercise! I don't remember having worked much with virtual instruments, apart from an imposed cover with pre-integrated Logic instruments and a voice extracted from a live performance that had to be adjusted and all. If you want to hear my magnificent production in "chill rock electro retro" mode with crappy VSTs : https://cloud.lrob.fr/index.php/s/GnHZLL5c5EF5K8x

      When I did the training :
      You start with a mix for which you don't choose the track, without temporal FX, on a small 8- or 12-track Mackie, then you do a "wet" mix, i.e. with temporal FX, then you move on to a Mackie/Behringer, "8 BUS" (like 24 tracks with dedicated digital recorder, no PC, FX in patch only, it shapes the thing) for a mix and two rec, then an SSL AWS900 (which is a hybrid analog/digital control surface), a mix and two rec, then you have two studios with identical digital consoles (Yamaha I think, probably an 02R, a great classic, for picture sound mix and music mix), then a big AVID console for mainly picture sound, and finally, I don't know if it's the last or the last but one, you finish on a Neve console (VR I think), I don't remember mixing on it in training mode, I recorded a group of Jazzmen directly over a slot of... 6h I think, the guys released an album to me, which they later published via a label etc. :) :)

      For the end-of-year project, I believe we had a choice of tracks recorded during the year, on which we also had to do a radio edit.
      I chose one of the tracks recorded on the Neve. CF l'album du coup, j'avais pris Influencias : https://open.spotify.com/album/3p9GO5SEgr0bbbgGBgRmXW?si=WZzqVyAnQ5KrqhQyVBM1qw

      In terms of atmosphere, I've had a few parties with students from my class, sometimes at my place, sometimes at theirs, and sometimes we've gone out to bars and concerts. There are also one or two "Alumni" evenings a year, where all the students + alumni if they want.
      But the truth is we had relatively little time, and I had trouble with most people, but it's always been like that everywhere for me. But that's to be put into perspective, because I'm pretty intolerant of most people. In particular, I find it hard to tolerate mediocrity, but on the other hand, the people I really got on with were really great and that was enough for me. I seem to have a flair for it, because those (that's 4 or 5 I can still remember, including one in another class) just happened to be the ones who graduated!

      As far as jams go, there weren't any in my day, so I can't tell you!

      I think it was 40 pages minimum. I've just opened mine and it's 46 pages long.
      In fact, if I had to do it all over again, I'd do it a lot better, by consulting the associated literature, which does exist!
      The method to adopt in my opinion:
      - Choose an interesting, potentially divisive and relatively unknown audio subject
      - Understand and explain the issues involved
      - Search all the literature about it (that's what I missed)
      - Summarize the literature and provide references
      - Present solutions, analysis, try to have a more global vision, and don't hesitate to talk about related subjects.
      - If applicable, test, do a little research yourself to go further, detail test protocols, integrate graphs, measurements, calculations, whatever (I've done that before).
      -> And don't worry, you've got your 40 pages wide!

      You don't have to be a novelist, you just have to be able to present your ideas logically.
      What would have made my life easier: Better organization! Take notes of major themes that could be the subject of a section in your summary. And draw inspiration from other works on the subject. In fact, you really have to think of it as a scientific study.
      And once you've got everything, you do a pre-summary and start writing. While you're writing, you're likely to see, as you explain it, the limits of your reasoning and research, so you'll have to adapt a little and complete your research.
      To do it right, you have to start very early. I didn't start until it was too late, so I had to pull all-nighters... So I don't recommend this, as it's the best way to keep your head in the game, lack perspective and fail to get an overview of the problem, and above all to be able to push the subject as far as you'd like. Do it really with the idea in mind that this is a scientific study that will be disseminated to the whole world and that must serve future generations, that should give you the scale of the ideal quality of work to produce :p

      I really urge you to check out the current state of affairs by attending an open house. With COVID it's likely to be complicated, so I don't know how they do it, but don't hesitate to ask them!

      Hoping to have answered most of your questions, I remain available if needed.
      Bonne route à toi ;)

  7. Wilson Dos Santos Avatar
    Wilson Dos Santos

    Hi, thanks for your very precise answer!
    Excellent zic, I take it back with my group also the Dépèche mode ^^
    I'd like to ask you a few subsidiary questions, because answers inevitably lead to other questions... :)
    Will they still allow me to record for a single solo project, just with VSTs and my guitar and voice? Or do we get a ticket if we do that (since no collaboration...).
    Is the subject of the dissertation necessarily technically oriented, or can it be generally about musical culture or theory?
    And one last point, do they teach you how to make this or that style of music (jazz, rock, reggaeton, dance, techno etc...), or is it up to you to already know these points?
    Super technical jazz group on Influencias on music theory. How did you know if there were wrong notes or not? Did they guide you on this point, or did you already master the world of jazz?
    Thanks again for your patience :D

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello, sorry for the delay.
      For VST/Gratte/Voice, you might as well do it in the home studio!
      Afterwards, you can be the artist that the other students will record, giving them a ready-made artist for their work in the school, and you can record whatever you like :)
      In my opinion, the dissertation should be on a subject directly related to your job as a sound engineer. After that, if you can make the link between sound engineering and music theory, why not, but you'll have to talk it over with the people involved, and I think they'll approve of your choice before you take the plunge in any case.
      For Influencias, the person who took on the role of artistic director was Diego, the band's guitarist and leader. And there weren't really any false notes... They did 2 or 3 takes per song all together live, and that was it! It was my first project with a jazz band, so it went really well ^^.

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    René GIRARD

    Hello,
    My son has just been accepted at SAE for the start of the new school year in September. But he's also interested in ESRA. Without denigrating either of these two schools, can you tell me what would be his best choice, given that he wants to make music productions, and that he's already doing quite well on his own with FL studio software? He's currently a senior in high school. With many thanks.

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello and sorry for the delay in responding (this article is from 2015 now!).
      Please see my reply to "Desile" below.

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    Desile

    Hello Sir, Thank you for this insight. What do you think of L'ÉCOLE ESRA, Paris 15e? Have you heard of it? In what terms by those who attended? Thank you. Bonne journée

    1. Robin Avatar

      Hello,

      I have no particular experience with ESRA. This school seems to me to be more focused on audio for video and seems to have a pretty good reputation.
      I'm not qualified to tell you more.

      All the best to you.

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